In this episode of Always Be Testing, I talked with my longtime friend and Round Bar Labs COO Mike McElhaney. We explore affiliate influencer marketing, Meta ads, algorithmic machine learning, and B2B lead optimization. Mike highlights leadership traits like low ego, high empathy, and continuous learning, inspired by books like The Captain’s Class and Extreme Ownership. The discussion blends marketing insights, personal anecdotes, and fun topics like family vacations, favorite TV shows, and Giants predictions for 2025—offering practical takeaways for marketers and leaders alike.